To the writers at this site: why would you—and by you I mean you personally, dear writer—think that whites would do anything in your interest if you spew hatred toward them nonstop and cannot get it through your head why they might act in their own interest and not in yours? Whites spent roughly a decade in a position of social-media-pol…
To the writers at this site: why would you—and by you I mean you personally, dear writer—think that whites would do anything in your interest if you spew hatred toward them nonstop and cannot get it through your head why they might act in their own interest and not in yours? Whites spent roughly a decade in a position of social-media-policed groveling before “marginalized communities” of several stripes but why would you think that they would actually like it or perform it without a gun to their head via cancel culture?
Because we white ppl are the ones that put them in “marginalized communities”. Until we take care of the problem we created, we have nothing to say. So, we make it in the politicians best interest to actually take action. How much hatred and anger would you be feeling if you were in this position?
Don’t care. Not there. And I didn’t do the crime so I shan’t do the time! If you want Elie Mystal and Joy Reid to live rent free in your head and spank your ass hourly, be my guest!
Wow. That’s quite a strong reaction Mathew. You absolutely get to be angry about being accused of things you feel you didn’t do. And you can also disagree with someone’s position and still have compassion for how they feel and be able to listen. While you might not feel 100% responsible for the plight of a segment of our society, you are a member of our society and bare your part in how it is conducted, as we all do.
So it feels like you are being pushed into being on the “other”side? I get that. And yet, yes us, as in we are ALL in this together. I am making the effort to reach out to you, Mathew, because you are one of the us. “Them” mentality is to express anger and hurt, or lie to play on emotions to manipulate you to act in someone else’s goals . You get to have many types of emotions at the same time, like anger and compassion. And you can still listen to others while you have them. I am so glad you are here! It shows you are still curious and that is a priceless quality.
I am happy to disagree with anyone! I don’t cancel people for disagreement. I will say however that nowadays only people on the left say “I just can’t deal with you!!!” over disagreement. People on the right say “Uh….okay,” and have another drink.
Think about it less personally then. Say this to yourself---
The US government with laws and policies that purposely stole from these communities - most consistently, deeply, and transparently from Native Americans and Black Americans - owes restitution to victims of these policies and their descendants.
Elected officials ensured our current disparities. They were not only indifferent, they worked to achieve this. Just because the plan is dismantling doesn't mean there is no obligation to right wrongs. Our past government is still responsible for the harms it did to its citizens.
Courts are awarding the return of Nazi-looted paintings to decents. Victims of Jim Crow aren't even at retirement age. I met a woman in her early forties who attended a BIE boarding school at a education workshop this year.
Not necessarily even adequate restitution, but government leaders have authorized payments to victims of Japanese American imprisonment during WWII and for Native Americans and Indian Country such as returning land, repatriation of cultural artifacts, etc.
Our taxes help people financially recover from natural disasters. Surely we owe citizens harmed by the leaders of their own country.
You’re missing my point. It is not in my interest to collaborate with or mollify people who explicitly seek my destruction…or, let’s dial it back if you wish, my DEMOTION….no. Christian self-abnegation is sick. The American people voted to promote and enrich their interests, not to spend the remains of our wealth applying Band-Aids to the great great grandchildren of those-who-once-were-done-wrong.
Please stop the generations-long-gone argument. I am 38. My mother's school wasn't integrated till she was in 4th grade. The Americans held back are living citizens.
My mother-in-law could not try on clothes in department stores due to legal segregation. She grew up in a segregated part of town in an old house. Later it was chosen for demolition to straighten a street shortly after inheriting it with her sisters. She got hardly anything for it because even without eminent domain prices, the neighborhood had never recovered from redlining and other Jim Crow policies. Her mother was smart and driven but her ability to earn good income was limited because safety, opportunity, and education were limited.
My college roommate went to a separate prom from the white kids at her school. At the other end of town was the "private" school with subsidized tuition where Black or Hispanic kids knew not to enroll. She graduated high school in 2005.
Overseeing and providing justice is one of the explicit roles of government listed in the Preamble to the Constitution.
I have little use for cystic fibrosis research or tax credits for historic preservation or Arlington National Cemetery or government insurance paying for Viagra. The government pays for all kinds of services that don't benefit me at all but rather benefit other Americans. But that's the driving reason for government. Pool resources to achieve major goals for the people under it.
If you want to spend your brief time on earth conceding what little cultural space you arguably possess to people who literally wish you dead, go for it. But don’t exclaim in shock when others do not.
I didn't realize that you endorse the Great Replacement ideology/conspiracy.
Fortunately, the reason I comment is not for you, but for others to read the back and forth to consider my arguments. I hope they decide to agree with my agreements when comparing them to the alternative ideas professed by a true member of the other side.
The left are very funny on the “great” replacement. Every single person says at the same time “That’s an insane racist conspiracy!” AND “Well, that’s your demographic fate, why not just accept it?”
I'm assuming the argument you're trying to make is that 'leftists' hold the same beliefs as yours here? Untrue -
Most people, not just people on the left, oppose the extremist ideology of the Great Replacement upon learning it. This is because it is indeed a fascist conspiracy built on three of the most easily hidden misassumptions -
---that goals like equality and justice are zero-sum;
---that being a minority population guarantees being threatened; and
---that every population system is one minority and one majority
Similarly, most people, regardless of politics, acknowledge that soon there will be no majority race. White people who hold the assumptions above and also hold racist views can be scared or angry about this. Maybe they turn to hateful and radical groups to deal with those feelings.
In contrast, Americans who support democracy and other ideals like freedom, equality, opportunity, and tolerance reject that ideology. Even people who are bewildered to hear unfamiliar languages or see new-to-them foods in the grocery store adjust to cultural changes when they hold onto these values.
Your argument fails because people who are accepting of demographic change have none of the fear implied in your arguments, they do not fall for the misassumptions above, and do not support the policies that racist extremists push for.
To the writers at this site: why would you—and by you I mean you personally, dear writer—think that whites would do anything in your interest if you spew hatred toward them nonstop and cannot get it through your head why they might act in their own interest and not in yours? Whites spent roughly a decade in a position of social-media-policed groveling before “marginalized communities” of several stripes but why would you think that they would actually like it or perform it without a gun to their head via cancel culture?
Because we white ppl are the ones that put them in “marginalized communities”. Until we take care of the problem we created, we have nothing to say. So, we make it in the politicians best interest to actually take action. How much hatred and anger would you be feeling if you were in this position?
Don’t care. Not there. And I didn’t do the crime so I shan’t do the time! If you want Elie Mystal and Joy Reid to live rent free in your head and spank your ass hourly, be my guest!
Then go join your empathy-adverse probable hero, Elon, and GTFOH.
It’s a free country. KAREN.
Wow. That’s quite a strong reaction Mathew. You absolutely get to be angry about being accused of things you feel you didn’t do. And you can also disagree with someone’s position and still have compassion for how they feel and be able to listen. While you might not feel 100% responsible for the plight of a segment of our society, you are a member of our society and bare your part in how it is conducted, as we all do.
No. Not “as we all.” Just us!
So it feels like you are being pushed into being on the “other”side? I get that. And yet, yes us, as in we are ALL in this together. I am making the effort to reach out to you, Mathew, because you are one of the us. “Them” mentality is to express anger and hurt, or lie to play on emotions to manipulate you to act in someone else’s goals . You get to have many types of emotions at the same time, like anger and compassion. And you can still listen to others while you have them. I am so glad you are here! It shows you are still curious and that is a priceless quality.
I am happy to disagree with anyone! I don’t cancel people for disagreement. I will say however that nowadays only people on the left say “I just can’t deal with you!!!” over disagreement. People on the right say “Uh….okay,” and have another drink.
Think about it less personally then. Say this to yourself---
The US government with laws and policies that purposely stole from these communities - most consistently, deeply, and transparently from Native Americans and Black Americans - owes restitution to victims of these policies and their descendants.
Elected officials ensured our current disparities. They were not only indifferent, they worked to achieve this. Just because the plan is dismantling doesn't mean there is no obligation to right wrongs. Our past government is still responsible for the harms it did to its citizens.
Courts are awarding the return of Nazi-looted paintings to decents. Victims of Jim Crow aren't even at retirement age. I met a woman in her early forties who attended a BIE boarding school at a education workshop this year.
Not necessarily even adequate restitution, but government leaders have authorized payments to victims of Japanese American imprisonment during WWII and for Native Americans and Indian Country such as returning land, repatriation of cultural artifacts, etc.
Our taxes help people financially recover from natural disasters. Surely we owe citizens harmed by the leaders of their own country.
You’re missing my point. It is not in my interest to collaborate with or mollify people who explicitly seek my destruction…or, let’s dial it back if you wish, my DEMOTION….no. Christian self-abnegation is sick. The American people voted to promote and enrich their interests, not to spend the remains of our wealth applying Band-Aids to the great great grandchildren of those-who-once-were-done-wrong.
Please stop the generations-long-gone argument. I am 38. My mother's school wasn't integrated till she was in 4th grade. The Americans held back are living citizens.
My mother-in-law could not try on clothes in department stores due to legal segregation. She grew up in a segregated part of town in an old house. Later it was chosen for demolition to straighten a street shortly after inheriting it with her sisters. She got hardly anything for it because even without eminent domain prices, the neighborhood had never recovered from redlining and other Jim Crow policies. Her mother was smart and driven but her ability to earn good income was limited because safety, opportunity, and education were limited.
My college roommate went to a separate prom from the white kids at her school. At the other end of town was the "private" school with subsidized tuition where Black or Hispanic kids knew not to enroll. She graduated high school in 2005.
Overseeing and providing justice is one of the explicit roles of government listed in the Preamble to the Constitution.
I have little use for cystic fibrosis research or tax credits for historic preservation or Arlington National Cemetery or government insurance paying for Viagra. The government pays for all kinds of services that don't benefit me at all but rather benefit other Americans. But that's the driving reason for government. Pool resources to achieve major goals for the people under it.
If you want to spend your brief time on earth conceding what little cultural space you arguably possess to people who literally wish you dead, go for it. But don’t exclaim in shock when others do not.
I didn't realize that you endorse the Great Replacement ideology/conspiracy.
Fortunately, the reason I comment is not for you, but for others to read the back and forth to consider my arguments. I hope they decide to agree with my agreements when comparing them to the alternative ideas professed by a true member of the other side.
The left are very funny on the “great” replacement. Every single person says at the same time “That’s an insane racist conspiracy!” AND “Well, that’s your demographic fate, why not just accept it?”
I'm assuming the argument you're trying to make is that 'leftists' hold the same beliefs as yours here? Untrue -
Most people, not just people on the left, oppose the extremist ideology of the Great Replacement upon learning it. This is because it is indeed a fascist conspiracy built on three of the most easily hidden misassumptions -
---that goals like equality and justice are zero-sum;
---that being a minority population guarantees being threatened; and
---that every population system is one minority and one majority
Similarly, most people, regardless of politics, acknowledge that soon there will be no majority race. White people who hold the assumptions above and also hold racist views can be scared or angry about this. Maybe they turn to hateful and radical groups to deal with those feelings.
In contrast, Americans who support democracy and other ideals like freedom, equality, opportunity, and tolerance reject that ideology. Even people who are bewildered to hear unfamiliar languages or see new-to-them foods in the grocery store adjust to cultural changes when they hold onto these values.
Your argument fails because people who are accepting of demographic change have none of the fear implied in your arguments, they do not fall for the misassumptions above, and do not support the policies that racist extremists push for.